I'm not saying this is the methode, it is just how i paint my models. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acrylic_paint. Now, I did have it bubble a decal once when I was gloss coating a race car model, but honestly I think it was more me getting heavy handed and not waiting for … I'm trying some custom stripes and I'm using Testors clear decal film. Call me old fashioned and conservative, but I largely stick to manufacturers thinners.Â. 2. But i don’t want the final surface to be gloss . TIA, I’ve brushed Tamiya X-22 onto areas where I later applied decals and it stood up to Solvaset. I don't have the Testors "decal bonder" spray. I find it fine with Microset and Mr Mark Setter - I've not seen any problems at all (very thin airbrushed X-22 + Tamiya Lacquer Thinner). I brushed on the decal solution and let it worked over the decals, after letting the clear dry over night. If you have good results with your decals using future, it's just because the Future acts like a glue and fill the microscopic bubbles between the surface and the decal film, so you avoid silvering and improve the adherence of the decal. The following shows the application of a decal to Tamiya’s 1/35th M113 armoured personnel carrier. Hate to stat the obvious, but could you use a glass clear coat. Probably best to not risk it. Now. I was wondering if you help , I am working on my 1/350 scale tos enterprise and i have my base color on the hull which is tamiya acrylic . It' s a fairly simple explanation, soap is an enemy of paint, because it breaks down some substances that are present in the paint, the most importand is the pigment, that colors the paint. X-22 can be thinned with many different thinners, from water to alcohol to lacquer thinner, with different results. I'd agree with Kev -Tamiya X22 is great. I always clear coat over the top of the decals (for hard bodies). For clear coats it will yellow in time because of the negative effect of the soap on, one of the substances, the paste. Almost picked it up at the LHS today. Doing a USAF Thunderbird, plan on using two bob decals over Tamiya fine white primer as color coat. Skill required to apply decals. Clear coating helps to protect the decal from peeling, cracking or sustaining other damage from exposure to the elements. Great looking car when finished. Second, the Great Wall Hobby Su-35 of #Flankoff fame. If the decals get damaged you have to strip the car down and start all over. The solvents in the clear coate need time to vaporize, if you put thin layers on you're model, then the solvents will not have the time to tackle the acrylic paint underneat, but vaporize in an instand. This was however, using their original paint formula which Tamiya changed after many people experienced cracking issues with their paints, especially the clear ones. In general, use the manufacturer's clear coat. I usually thin it with some Tamiya lacquer thinner 1 to 1 and a few drops of retarder. As for decal solvents: Microsol and Mr Mark Softer are also ok, but I must admit that I usually take care to apply the decal solvent only to the decal - I wick away any that spill into the surrounding area. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Indeed, it will thin the paint, but later it will effect the paint layer. If you use TS- 13 over decals test it on spare decals to see how much they can take. Welcome to HyperScale's Discussion, Picture Posting & Trading Forums, Like a lot of folks, I find myself using more and more acrylic paints.  I usually use the current edition of Pledge with Future Shine Floor Polish as a gloss coat before applying decals.  Some decals can be tough to get to conform to surface features and may require multiple applications of Micro Sol and/or Solvaset to wrangle into submission.  Some of these decal setting solutions have spotted or attacked Future requiring decal removal and repairs to the Future gloss coat.  Is Tamya X-22 acrylic gloss clear any better standing up to hot decal solvents? I am sure Tamiya does a glossclear. After the decal steps are finished, the locomotive can be lightly weathered as desired. Make sure to test clear coating over decals before applying to a finished project. Hi Curt, I use the Aqua Gloss over BMF (and other) finishes, shooting first just where the decals go on. Make sure to test clear coating over decals before applying to a finished project. And a clear coat over the decal doesn't seem to help either. will clear coating with matte after decals work with little issue. I hate cleaning the airbrush and Ive read a lot of good stuff about Tamiya spray cans. the first attempt failed as soon as I put it in water. As for windscreen wiper fluid - the thought never occurred to me. Two follow-up questions: 1. Recently I'm struggling with wrinkles of decals when I spray a clear lacquer coat over. Some people have had no problems simply by spraying light mist coats to cover the decals followed by slightly heavier wet coats. ... at least 24 hours before handling the model — and longer than that if the paint is especially thick or you are going over it with another coat of color or clear. Final Finishing - Lotus 25 - posted in Scratch building: I recently completed this build for an upcoming proxy for 1.5 liter 1960s Grand Prix cars. Hi, I'm not that new to the hobby. Paste is used for clear coates, like pigments are for color coates, the soap will damage those and you get the same result in time. After a quick coat of Tamiya X-22, the issue went away entirely. I always used Tamiya TS-13 clear over decals and paint on slot cars. I've damaged airbrushed coats of X-22 with multiple applications of decal solvent. TS65 Pearl Clear gives the underlying paint of a model a pearlescent final finish. One thing is for sure, these clear coats can used on acrylic coats, no problem at all, that i allready tryed, but i need a good clear coat which give me a smooth and nice layer image. The clear coat it's decanted from a spray can. The most importand negative effect is color fading and killing of the uv filter protection. The formula change happened when they switched to the smaller 10ml bottles. Can Tamiyas Finishing polishing compound be used over top coated decals? The paint is Tamiya Acrylic applied with an airbrush. Depending upon the desired finish, I'll then topcoat overall with any of the Alclad II clear finishes, including dead flat. Is it safe to use as a clear coat over airbrushed Tamiya Acrylics (X/XF)? After decals, another coat of Aqua Gloss over the decals and overall, then weathering, etc. Yep, you can pretty much put anything you want over X-22 once it has cured, save for hot lacquers. Same acrylic based ones, enamel based ones, and even solvent based ones are surely possible. You can also use the Levelling variety, or even Tamiya's own branded lacquer thinner. (I don’t use any other setting solutions.). Blakbird's RC. I laid the second coat on a little thicker, and ended up with major orange peel and even plenty of rough spots. For good decals, gloss coat, apply the decals, then gloss coat again. For best results allow up to one week. You've used Microsoft (or any other decal softener) to firmly set the decals. Moreover it's not a solvent at all. Seems to help prevent them from lifting over time. Applying too thick of a layer at one time just creates problems and a surface that isn't glass smooth. An example : you paint you're model with an acrylic based paint, first let it dry for 24 houres. This website uses cookies for functionality, analytics and advertising purposes as described in our, PLANE TALKING - HyperScale's Aircraft Scale Model Discussion Forum. Also, because the thickness of the clear coat layer, there will be color disorder, and crackling problems. However, the whole affair has left me a little anxious to the problem, I would like to eliminate the risk altogether, so I am wondering if anyone has any suggestions for a "safe" gloss coat that can be used over acrylics (I use Tamiya, Vallejo, Lifecolor and am moving away from Gunze because of this). I brushed on the decal solution and let it worked over the decals, after letting the clear dry over night. For Polycarbonate applications please use Tamiya PS spray paint. Great kit from Tamiya. Don't forget that Future is a floor polish, it's not designed to be airbrushed onto models. I dont think it would attack any paint as you only use a very few and wipe the excess a few seconds after setting the decal. Simple to build. Allow the paint to be clear-coated to fully cure before applying TS79. When you put one thick layer of clear coat, the solvents need a long time to vaporize, and will effect the acrylic paint, with the well know results. I may spray a coat of clear then decal and seal with another coat … If you have vintage decals spray them with clear enamel in a spray can from ACE.If you dont clear coat them the old decals will fall apart as you are soaking them.I have used this method many times on bikes and vintage campers.After you spray the decal you have to cut it as close as you can around the edges before soaking,If you dont cut off the excess around the decal you will have big … As where I painting out in the garage. Step 1 Now Id like to have a flat coat from the can. But honestly, they thin and spray so well with Mr. Color Thinner that I simply wouldn't bother. Which, the micro sol and sal started to take up paint. I want to clear coat to protect the decals after they are put on. I always used Tamiya TS-13 clear over decals and paint on slot cars. My question are: 1. Not meant to criticise in any way. All of these thinners are relatively mild, but do a great job on these paints - better than any other alternative I've tried. First you need to know from which substances windscreen wiper fluid is made, and this is fairly simple : shampoo, windex, dish soap and methanol that is also present in the windex fluid. Kevin, Dean, any reason you don't thin X-22 with windscreen wiper fluid? This will prevent the clear coat from cracking due to different cure rates from the paint underneath. For Polycarbonate applications please use Tamiya … Nothing new. I use primarily tamiya and model master acrylics. It may cost me more, but compared to the cost of the model, it's small. The clear coat is Krylon Triple-Thick Cyrstal Clear Glaze 0500 (recommended by a Model Maker at work). The final clear coat can be whatever you want to use for the over all look you are wanting to … I have a set of Maktar masks I'm kind of dying to try out for the National Insignia. Everybody has to chose for himself which thinning solution to use, but for me, i stick to the manufacturers thinning products or equal.......example : Tamiya X20A is simply pure isoprophyl alcohol, so i buy it at a pharmacy which is very cheap. The model can always be returned to a matt or semi-gloss finish after decal application with another coat of appropriate varnish. MarcelI paint almost exclusively with acrylics and fortunately have never experienced any cracking problems of either the clear top coats or the paint itself. Hard, high gloss finish without having to buff. Just a little bit of this fluid has enough toxic that it will damage seriously you're health. Just I'm risk averse. They seemed to work out OK with that approach. Im lazy. I then tried Tamiya clear thinned waaaaayyyy thin with Mr Leveling Thinner. With a few materials and a little of your time, you can clear-coat decals yourself. You've used Tamiya rattlecan spray paint for you base colors. I have also thought of using the Mr. Surfacer UV Cut Gloss Coats, but am a little anxious about trying out a new product. Marcel, I used to thin Tamiya acrylics with windshield washer fluid but found it made it less durable. Trying to build a hot box this fall to help with curing parts. After spending hours building, I don't want to risk mucking it up with the painting. The resin shell (Pre-Wing) has been finished with Tamiya rattle can primer. Thanks in advance .. Its not any stronger or more durable than any of their other paints if that gives you any indication... Â. I used Solvaset on decals over X-22 Clear without any problems. NOTE: TAMIYA TS paint is not designed to be used with clear Polycarbonate/LEXAN R/C body shells. And Tamiya's X-22 is a terrific clear gloss; far superior to floor polish in my opinion, and safe to use over most other paints. I don't even use it in my car! How does Tamiya Clear X-22 Acrylic hold up to decal setting solutions. To avoid the risk I coat decals with Future before I put on the final clear coat, since I started doing that I have not had any problems with damaged decals. I don't thin X22, I just spray it in very thin layers with a slightly higher pressure than thinned Tamiya acrylic paint. It is a lacquer formulation, which brand of clear coat is safe to seal decals? You've used Tamiya Rattle can Clear as a top coat. You've used Patto's waterslide's for your decals. After the decals were down, I sprayed a coat of Gunze C181 semi-gloss clear. is forgiving and easy to use. ... Decals adhere better to gloss or semigloss finishes. The first coat was rough, of course, because it was so thin. I know loads of people who use Future & all sorts of automotive based chemicals with results at least as good. Applying clear coat can harm some decals. These decals had a whole other problem – thickness – that we’ll get to in a minute. This will prevent the clear coat from cracking due to different cure rates from the paint underneath. Sign up for a new account in our community. Once you painted the subject with a acrylic paint, it is possible to use different sort's of clear coats. Marcel111, Now for the question which one to use, i can not answer that. I have in the past used Windex (an ammonia-based window cleaner) to thin Gunze and Tamiya acrylics, and while it works, it seemed to make the paints less durable (as Carl mentioned), and they definitely dried a little softer. Sometimes the decals are OK, other times they may crinkle up. Mission Models MMP quick clear coat and decal application demonstration video. Applying clear coat can harm decals. ;-) It's easy. Windscreen wiper fluid is not something I use. NOTE: TAMIYA TS paint is not designed to be used with clear Polycarbonate/LEXAN R/C body shells. Is … Clear-coating over decals might work excellent for rim caps! Modelling experience is helpful but if it’s a first attempt worth ago for the price. In that way the first clear coat layer will protect you're underneat acrylic paint, now you can build up safely you're clear coat layers until you are happy with the result. But. Any tips why? Cheap price. Of course, your other option is to just rip the entire decal off and redo it. Since switching to x-22 I have not had any problem with micro sol or set damaging the clear coat. Acrylic (Tamiya X-22, Future, etc.) If the clear edges start to lift or curl, they are starting to burn! Many people have good results with it, but i think even more people encounter issues with it. Is Tamiya TS-80 any good? The paint will flake off. You just need to keep certain aspects in mind regarding the painting process. At the moment i'm looking for a good clear coat to use, previous brands didn't give me positive results. I know, many modelers used this, and say, "that works fine for me", but windscreen wiper fluid causes more then only thinning the paint. On the next try, I sprayed a couple light coats of Tamiya clear on them BEFORE putting them in water. Depending on the kind of clear you use, it may also help prevent color fading by blocking UV light. List of reasons you might want to clear-coat over decals: It’s a safari vehicle or mud-bogger and you’ll be driving it deep into the mud daily, then clear-coating could add a second layer of durability. I don't know why their flat coat says not to use over decals. The surface is painted with tamiya pure white spray paint and it left a semi-gloss finish and where some small areas must have got a little more paint it is glossier. But maybe the most importand fact is the methanol. Just don't let it excessively pooled over the decals for long periods, otherwise it's possible it could melt the clear coat and possibly the decals too, though I had never had that happened. By This is a good way to use with all sort's of clear coats, and also color coats of different sort's and brands. I used the tamiya spray paint for the black then clear coat over decals. Can Future be applied over X-22 (very modestly)? The answer to this question is an easy one for me: Tamiya X-22 Clear Gloss acrylic, thinned with Mr. Color Thinner. I swear by using Future as my decal solvent. I am thinking about applying a coat of Modelmaster gloss enamel over the acrylics I use as a way of providing a protective layer, any thoughts on that? Future/Klear is acrylic paint without any pigment. At the moment i have the Alclad clear coats, gloss and mat stand ready to try, but due to my accident i need to wait a further more to try them out. I understand now that it's laquer based and intended for use over other TS colour coats, but this initial test looks to have gone OK over X-7 Red left to dry for about 48 hours before the clear coat... was that just pure luck? Working pressure is approx 12 psiPeter. I always wait a few days before applying decals to ensure the X-22 has properly cured. I can only get the temp up to about 45-50 degrees and we keep the house at 65ish degrees. When you add decals to your motorcycle or other vehicle as décor, you will want to add a clear coat over the top of the decal. Only issue I have ever had was using testers gloss clear out of can last winter. color coat and top coat. But there nothing better than one's own experience, so you can try yourself and see what you get. I could have warned you about masking over decals with Tamiya tape - from personal experience! But it is a gloss coat. It works most of the time, but it's not guaranteed to do so. This fluid is the most dangerous part of the the whole windscreen fluid, because it's very toxic. Make sure to test clear coating over decals before applying to a finished project. ... As this is for a car, its a bit out of my area, i only want enough of a gloss to apply decals. Future is not designed as a hobby clear coat and is not a decal solvent either. Alcohol seems to make it dry faster but sometimes the aspect is not so good and doesn't self-level as good as with Tamiya lacquer thinner. I'm not endorsing or criticizing the use of Future, just sayin'. i want to clear coat it gloss so the decals go on nice. Maybe the paint is too hot? Just don't let it excessively pooled over the decals for long periods, otherwise it's possible it could melt the clear coat and possibly the decals too, though I had never had that happened. I will give Tamiya X-22 a go since it is Acrylic. Some time ago I experienced cracking of Gunze paint after applying a thick coat of Future. The paint will flake off. However, I chalk it up more to the paint and clear coat not being 100% cured. all the ink came off. I am a retired Chemist so I know it is voodoo science when dealing with chemical formulations. You've applied misted layers with a thicker final layer of top coat. Allow the paint to be clear-coated to fully cure before applying TS65. Then, you will used a solvent based clear coat like Alclad, that's ok, because you can do that, but only if you airbrush the Alclad clear coat in very thin layers with a pause of several minutes between the layers......why?? You could try multiple coats, but i am sure the car guys might have some useful tips. Applying clear coat can harm some decals. Thanks for all the replies.  I think I am going to pick up a bottle of X-22 and try it.  It can be used for final gloss coats on my car models if nothing else.  Sounds like the key to good results is to let it cure for several days. First i wanna say that i also tried previous the use of Future with my airbrush, but for me, that is a no go. It seems the lacquer thinner (Tamiya) is the best as it takes just the good time to dry. But it is a gloss coat. Tamiya paint, Tamiya thinner: Using the same brands guarantees compatibility. Almost because a label on the top read Do not spray over decals. I have subsequently learnt that this is a known problem in that combination of products, over the weekend at a modeling show I was told to just apply very thin coats of Future. About the fact of laying thin layers of paint.... that's true, better to lay 5 thin layers then to lay one thick one......why?? ... then try painting over the decals with … Some years of that career i worked in a labo, and there i learned all this stuff. ... Is it safe to use over decals i.e. I hope my explanation is clear, because English isn't my mother language. Kev MikeC , Marcel111 , Bravo52 and 2 others I don't know why their flat coat says not to use over decals. I regularly use for gloss:Testors GlosscoteAlclad GlossThe original Kleer - PledgeIn each case I start by thinning the gloss to at least 50/50, apply in very thin, light layers and build up the gloss as needed. I know, many people would say......yeah right, and i understand that, but i know all of these facts because i was a profesional painter for about 25 years, in a factory that manufactured paint. Make sure to test clear coating over decals before applying to a finished project. And Tamiya's X-22 is a terrific clear gloss; far superior to floor polish in my opinion, and safe to use over most other paints. October 3, 2016 in General Discussion. Tamiya paint, Tamiya thinner: using the same brands guarantees compatibility of decal solvent either to gloss or finishes! Uv light … Allow the paint and clear coat from cracking due different... 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